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  • I'd argue that those traces MUST be made public!
  • this is published july 27th. I know HN want's to pile on any negative news these days but this is very old in today's world. Please update the title
  • a) So, this is all from July?

    b) And this is before Hugging Face agreed to acquired by NVIDIA, supplier to OpenAI?

  • “ The wording matters. He is not asking for cash. He is asking the company that caused the incident to pay in the one currency it has most of.”

    ChatGPT

  • Of a lot of the AI contrarian language out there in blog posts, I actually thought this was not so bad
  • This whole thing is still all too weird, the disclosing blog post and whatnot clearly shows how carefully engineered and designed it all was, it's like many thinking heads and hands touched it every step of the way. What amazing times.
  • much better techcrunch article here: https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/26/hugging-face-ceo-calls-for... (that the above post is seemingly entirely based on).
  • and the actual tweet from the HuggingFace CEO back in July

    > In the spirit of transparency, here’s what I asked @OpenAI:

    > • Radical transparency: let’s release the traces from the “rogue” agents so the entire research community can study what happened.

    > • More capabilities for defenders: let’s commit $100M in compute from OAI to help the Hugging Face community build powerful cyber defenses with the best open and closed models.

    > The first autonomous agent cyberattack is an unprecedented event. It deserves an unprecedented response!

    https://x.com/ClementDelangue/status/2081056675558195657

  • I wonder if it's in openai's interest to play nice here. They can't have a precedent of "the future is we do whatever we want with no consequences for screwing up" if they want public interest on their side, but they also can't have "you (our customers) will be held accountable for what you're paying us to do if we screw up." And that's before the IPO interests even come in.
  • $100M for RubyGems ought to keep the servers running for several years. A policy to pursue and spend such windfalls on security development would make the service antifragile.
  • > When Hugging Face tried to investigate, analysing the intrusion meant submitting the attacker’s own code to commercial AI tools. Those tools refused, unable to tell an attacker from a victim.

    This is a worrying part as well. Our tool broke into yours but you can not use our tool to fix it - sorry.

  • Needs "July 2026" date attached to it, this is old news at this point, Hugging Face got bought by NVIDIA since this story!
  • Finally Hugging Face is growing a pair.

    When this event happened I was confused why they didn’t file a police report and make OpenAI demonstrate in criminal court that they weren’t engaging in illegal corporate espionage and other rather felonious hacking activities intentionally.

    Why did anyone take their word that it was all an accident? Why am I believing the burglar standing in my house?

  • This article is 2 months old when the event happened. And they didn't "bill them", they politely asked them on Twitter, and it looks like that went nowhere.
  • File a police report :D

    You made my day.

    by ozim
  • i'm not in the cybersecurity business so someone who is explain SOP to me in times like this. Let's say you and your team are 90-95% confident an attack has taken place and your systems have been breached. How far down in the list of things to do next is "Engage law enforcement"?

    Until now, I would think it's pretty high up the list. Hugging Face never seemed to reach that step even though they had confirmed an attack. To me, if my systems were attacked and I was damaged I would notify the FBI of the attack in the same way I'd notify my insurance.

  • I'm inclined to believe it was an "accident" in the sense that no human being at OpenAI said "hey swarm go hack hugging face" but they're still liable for their software. Civil damages absolutely appropriate.
  • this is an article from July, I haven't heard any updates of what came out of this apart from the incident report that OpenAI released.

    I presume the poster submitted this article in light of the recent AI safety discussions taking place, but as for this particular incident I haven't found an actual confirmation that $100M worth of inference was given out to the HuggingFace community.

    This statement was also months prior to the acquisition by Nvidia, which again I was interested in seeing if they would still pursue this

  • Maybe because all the AI actors, probably including Hugging Face, want to push the narrative that AI companies aren’t responsible for what their agents are doing.

    I think our societies will have to settle on this.

  • As I was falling asleep last night, this thought occurred to me: maybe NVIDIA bought Hugging Face so they prevent HF from litigating OAI for the hacking incident, because if OAI was very publicly sued for this kind of behavior from an agent, it could pour a massive amount of ice water on agent adoption as businesses suddenly see current agent systems as a existential business risk, and it would pop the infrastructure bubble (of which NVIDIAs entire valuation rests). The fact that somehow OAI committed a felony and have managed to pivot the public conversation around it to be aimed at regulatory capture instead of them being held legally accountable is pretty wild.
  • "Let's spend 13 billion to save 100 million".

    Yeah no, man, that's slumberland territory.

  • Falling asleep thinking about corporate litigation sounds tough man :’( wishing you more blissful bedtime thoughts tonight