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- I live in a small city in rural area (Nevada City/Nevada County, ca).
Traffic lights here are unbearable. The situation, as I understand it, is that there's tradeoff between through-put and latency. Basically, if you make each cycle of a light really long, like 1-2 minutes, then how many cars get through, can be maximize. Sounds good but such optimizations drive the average driver f---kin nut. I don't think that cost should be ignored.
by joe_the_user - >As sensors become more ubiquitous and computing power increases, traffic management may slowly but surely be relegated from civil engineers to software developers and data scientists. But, that also means that ASCT systems may be more vulnerable to security threats, a scary thought if they’re controlling the signals for an entire city.
I feel like software engineers would write more secure software than civil engineers. It would be the opposite. I'm also not scared that much of someone controlling traffic lights. It's already possible using emergency lights.
by charcircuit - I highly recommend Traffic Light Doctor on YT, if you're into this sort of thing.
- > Actuated signal control [...] inductive loop sensors embedded into the road surface
It blows my mind how many people don't realize that's what those circles near the stop bar of an intersection are for, and will then stop 3+ car lengths behind the stop bar, and then can't figure out why the light is never going green.
> two signals closely spaced in a row on a major roadway. If one signal gives a green but the next one doesn’t, cars can back up
This is a major problem at an intersection near me that I used to have to drive through frequently. Two intersections, only about 500 feet between them, and MOST traffic during rush out coming from just one of the directions, yet the lights were often exactly out of sync. The first light would be red while the next one was green. Then the first would go green while the other went red, and traffic would only move about 500 feet then stop for 2 minutes. The backup would last well over a mile.
> The obvious next step in efficiency is coordination of most or all the signals within a traffic network. This is the job of adaptive signal control technologies, or ASCT. [..] These types of systems can dramatically reduce congestion
My cynical ass would not be surprised at all if oil/gas companies were lobbying against ASCT because idling cars are buying more fuel. Wouldn't be too hard to convince people that an ASCT would cost too much to implement while not producing significant traffic benefits.
by Sohcahtoa82 - Reminds me a bit of the MIT study that relates to spacing in densely packed roadways [1]. Whenever I apply the rule (look into my rear view mirror and decide how late to slow down), I feel like a good little molecule in an ideal gas.
[1] https://www.csail.mit.edu/news/improving-traffic-tailgating-...
by alhirzel - Here's a surprising anecdote I've discovered living in South Africa wrt traffic lights.
When they're not working at a busy intersection in my area, the intersection effectively becomes a four way stop. And I've found that as long as everybody follows the rules, traffic actually seems to flow FASTER than when the traffic lights are actually operable.
I've timed this a few times.
by skc - The two-adjacent signals causing extra traffic is something I encounter daily in Berkeley -- Ashby / Claremont & Ashby / Domingo. I probably blow an average of 5 minutes a day cause of that double intersection.
To highlight one other point from the video: You want a light to be able to clear the line built up each time. If not, flux in > flux out and that's a recipe for a growing line, which causes a traffic jam.
by efavdb - One thing that I noticed about traffic lights in CA -- there will be like 4-5 cars who are driving on the major road and approaching the traffic light. Then a car arrived from the small road at the intersection. The traffic light will then turn red for cars on the major road, so all 4-5 cars will brake and stop at the light. The small car proceed to turn left into the major road. A few seconds later, the light for the major road turns green again and the 4-5 cars proceed.
I have seen this so often that I sometimes wonder if it'd be more fuel efficient to let the 4-5 cars on the major roadway proceed (the traffic lights have cameras anyway) while letting the one car from the small street wait slightly longer or wait for a fixed amount of time.
I wonder if there's any traffic engineer on HN from California and if so, I'd love to hear an explanation/rationale behind the current approach.