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- I continue to believe that Meta is the company that is building products I want from a company I have absolutely zero desire to do business with. I put Google in the same category - I used to be a google fanboy, but that subsided over the years as Google grew and killed products I used and liked. Now I only use their products because of inertia and network effect.
I don't trust any of the hyperscalers to place me as a user first, I expect them to guide me into a stall, strap on a feedbag, and start the value extraction process while they build the meatrix[1] around me.
I want tools like Muse, and Meta Glasses, Google Gemini and a horizontally integrated AI agent, but I want it on my terms, where I am in control and accountable, and without a layer of data collection and harvesting on top of it.
Fortunately I am skilled enough to assemble most of what I want, but I fear a world where people who lack the skills and resources I have available have no choice but to onboard and give up control in order to remain competitive, employed, and connected in the world to come :(
by ygjb - Couldn't pay me to use this junk.
Trying to think of a number that I would consider it, and honestly $1k/month wouldn't convince me unless
- I have root on device
- device is on its own vlan, fully segmented
- !(SIM || 5G antenna)
- no google/apple id authenticated on device
- terminate agreement at any time without cost
I'm probably forgetting/not aware of ten things I should consider.
by matltc - This one is from a tweet that posted a screenshot of the transcript between their Muse agent and a plumber:
Call transcript with Guerra's Plumbing, Englewood, CO at September 17, 2026, 1:32 PM
Recipient: This is Robert.
Muse: Hi, this is Brett calling on Ankit Gordhandas’s behalf. I'll be transcribing this call for notes. I'm looking for a quote to install three customer-supplied bidet sprayers. Can you help with that?
Recipient: Can you soak my dick?
Muse: I'm just calling about the installation quote. Is there someone there who can help with plumbing pricing?
by malshe - I don't think anyone is arguing it isn't one. The fact that all of these agents have provisions for keeping .env vars and credit cards out of their chain of thought and responses is evidence enough of that - they know full well the info they're handing can easily be leaked. Notably though PII is absent from that, since without that information the agent just isn't valuable.
What most people are arguing is whether or not it's worth it. These things are essentially executive assistants, which historically have also been massive vectors for security leaks. EAs know the most about you, your behaviors, and your motivations. Still an EA is almost always worth it if you can afford one. Given now the cost is free, Muse is something I've both used and recommended. It's worth the risk for me.
at the cost of all your data and probably your eternal soul
by jjcm - Are all of these just flavors of "the agent has the same permissions as the user"? Not that I want to trust Meta with anything, but I'm guessing it asked for "root" access and the users granted it...?by alistairSH
- It's very simple. There is ZERO chance the worlds biggest advertising companies will refrain, long-term, from using your most intimate secrets, gathered through your many conversations with their AI personal assistants, to sell you things.by chadd
- I get the appeal of agents, I do. This is the future stuff we always wanted. But I cannot get myself to give one of these things access to my bank account or allow it to do price comparsion and shopping without oversight. Or access to my email or chat history.
I just do not trust any of them, not with my money or with access to my conversations.
by jagermo - I’m pretty frustrated with Muse and the last thing I want to be doing with my free time is defending Meta, but this is such clickbait.
Point by point:
> “OMG you can jailbreak it and get it to spill its VM”
This is the whole point; any content on the VM is yours. It runs in an isolated sandboxed VM separate from stored credentials etc; this is effectively your own computer. You don’t have to trick it.
> It collects dossiers on your contacts
These are more text files that live on your private VM, alongside memory.md, etc. Do you want your secretary to forget every person you contact every day?
> It accessed Messages without full disk access
This whole story never made sense or was substantiated. Full disk access is an OS level security boundary; the user had to switch this on.
> It sold some guys stuff for too cheap and gave out his address
OK this one I basically believe, haha. Because this is the problem with Muse: the LLM is just too dumb to perform complex tasks effectively in many cases.
by piazz