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  • I bought a yearly subscription to kimi when it was the hype and never use it. The 5h limit makes it completely unusable. You barely start doing anything and you hit the limit immediately. I advise everyone against using kimi.
    by Athanase000
  • Fascinating that we’re converging on AI safety and alignment in time across jurisdictions. The cybersecurity approach taken here is interesting because should the model be opened it’s still not dealignable because it just doesn’t know enough.

    The slow warming of the water is a good approach. I’ve been using abliteration.ai’s cybersecurity models to pentest my own software and it produces much more usable defensive results. Opus 5.5 can fix everything but the guardrails trigger too easily.

    The Fable ban affair was a nightmare for defensive cybersecurity. As far as I’m concerned we’re already in the world of Void Star and Cloudbreaker is here.

    by arjie
  • Here are the results from the Pac-Man bench. It does pretty well for the price, around Sonnet 5.5.

    Kimi K3.1 Pro ties Sonnet 5.5 at 93, for $0.68 and 11 min vs Sonnet's $1.61 and 14 min.

    Kimi K3.1 Pro: https://jonclegg.github.io/pacman-bakeoff/#kimi-k3.1-pro

    Claude Sonnet 5.5: https://jonclegg.github.io/pacman-bakeoff/#claude-sonnet-5-5

    by thefourthchime
  • That's something which caught my attention:

    > First, we aim not to release open weights that would extend the absolute frontier of cyber capability. K3.1 Pro's offensive cyber capability is, by design, below what our pipeline can produce, and remains behind that of frontier proprietary models. Second, we intend to progressively raise the cyber capability available in open weights.

    So they admit that they could do more, but they won't?

    by rudolftheone
  • I did some tests. I found it interesting that in the reasoning content the model identifies itself as Kimi by moonshot and sometimes it assumes ChatGPT as identity. Then sometimes it references the need to be approved by "the evaluator", other times it references global system guidelines / moonshot guidelines, and something about an phantom instruction line being "you are an assistant responding in an API" or something like that.
    by ranyume
  • If you are expecting any sort of usable limits on their subscription plan I suggest adjusting your expectations. I subscribed to $99 a month plan and within 47 minutes with one session (not asking for swarms or anything) was limited by 5-hour quota.
    by johnmlussier
  • I feel many models are over fitting. During software development only opus can save my time. Sol needs some back and force. Other models such as muse wonder and argon are totally waste time need too much effort to make it work. Give same prompt opus can work hours to give the result some times over engining. Sol takes 80% time and give slightly worse version. Other models tell me finished after 20 mins. WTH, am I using model or model is using me?
    by a3nz3g
  • Kimi is so much more blunt and argumentative than USA models.

    it's so funny, it will say things like. "We've already been over this 3 times and you refuse to accept my advice, asking the same question another way won't change the answer."

    So funny

    by Flatcircle

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