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A discussion about running Atari ST music demos on Amiga, with mentions of emulators, hardware capabilities, and specific sound chips like Paula and SID.

What the discussion says

  • Emulators like PiMiga can run Atari ST demos on Amiga.
  • Amiga's no CPU demos are highly regarded.
  • The Atari ST's sound chip is compared to the Amiga's Paula.
  • Some users wish the Amiga had a SID chip like the Apple IIgs.
“The demo linked could be run on PiMiga.”
— indigodaddy
“Amiga emulators are now quite accurate.”
— snvzz

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  • The demo linked at the bottom of the article:

    https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=104190

    .. could it be run on something like PiMiga?

    by indigodaddy
  • The no CPU Amiga demos was fantastic
    by christkv
  • Awesome!

    As an aside, the only code I know that uses Paula's attached mode (where one channel can modulate the volume or pitch of another) is the sound effect used in X-Copy.

    It sounds like this: https://youtu.be/2OG2tPx5gnU?t=22

    and the code that generates that sound is this:

        PLAY_SAMPLE ; a6=_custom, d0=zero for high-pitch sound, nonzero for low-pitch sound
            move.w  #$F00,d1        ; high pitch: period=$d00-$f00 if d0 == 0
            tst.b   d0
            beq.s   .high
            move.w  #$7700,d1       ; low pitch: period=$7500-$7700 if d0 != 0
    .high   lea     MODULO,a0
            move.w  #$200-1,d0
    .down   move.w  d1,(a0)+
            subq.w  #1,d1
            dbra    d0,.down
            move.w  #$200-1,d0
    .up     addq.w  #1,d1
            move.w  d1,(a0)+
            dbra    d0,.up
            ; set up channel 2; whatever words this plays will
            ; be written to the period register of channel 3
            move.w  adkconr(a6),-(sp)       ; save ADKCON state for later
            move.w  #ADKF_SETCLR!ADKF_USE2P3,adkcon(a6)
            move.l  #MODULO,aud2+ac_ptr(a6)
            move.w  #$400,aud2+ac_len(a6)
            move.w  #0,aud2+ac_vol(a6)      ; no volume (no actual sound wanted!)
            move.w  #$90,aud2+ac_per(a6)    ; change period every $90 ticks
            lea     SAMPLE,a0               ; set up channel 3 to play a simple square wave
            move.l  #$7f7f8080,(a0)         ; square wave: 127 127 -128 -128 ...
            move.l  a0,aud3+ac_ptr(a6)
            move.w  #2,aud3+ac_len(a6)
            move.w  #DMAF_SETCLR!DMAF_AUD2|DMAF_AUD3,dmacon(a6) ; turn on sound DMA
            moveq   #$40,d2                 ; start with volume = 64
    .vol    move.w  d2,aud3+ac_vol(a6)      ; write channel 3 volume
            move.w  #$600-1,d1              ; wait a bit
    1$      move.b  vhposr(a6),d0
    2$      cmp.b   vhposr(a6),d0
            beq.s   2$
            dbra    d1,1$
            subq    #8,d2                   ; repeat to fade
            bpl.s   .vol
            moveq   #0,d0                   ; stop sound
            move.w  d0,aud2+ac_len(a6)
            move.w  d0,aud3+ac_vol(a6)
            move.w  d0,aud3+ac_len(a6)
            move.w  #DMAF_AUD2!DMAF_AUD3,dmacon(a6)
            move.w  (sp)+,d0                ; restore ADKCON
            btst    #ADKB_USE2P3,d0
            bne.s   .keepon
            move.w  #ADKF_USE2P3,adkcon(a6)
    .keepon rts
            section 2,bss,chip
    SAMPLE  ds.w    2
    MODULO  ds.w    $400
    by amiga386
  • I never had an Atari ST so wasn't familiar with the details of how its sound chip worked. I did know it was a variant of the AY chip found in the ZX Spectrum +2A, which I did own for a brief period after several years of 48K+ ownership.

    However, it's only as a result of reading this article that I realised the chip is only capable of generating square waves and noise, whereas I'd been under the impression it had some slightly more advanced FM synthesis capabilities. That impression must have come from, decades later, listening to what people could squeeze out of the chip on various Spectrum demos on YouTube. Well, that and the fact that after the 48K beeper the 128K was never going to sound less than incredible. I might not even have had it for a year before switching to the (much less prone to go wrong) C64[0].

    Anyway, all of this to say: very interesting project, and I enjoyed the neat reversal trick with the attached voice to get the higher quality output out of Paula.

    [0] Actually the Spectrum -> C64 switch was more of a mixed bag than you might think - it wasn't, for example, like games on the C64 were all universally better. On the sound front, the C64's SID chip was a significant upgrade over the AY though, and certainly the most capable sound chip amongst 8-bit computers that I'm aware of. I really wish they'd crammed a SID chip into the Amiga alongside Paula. Or maybe even a dual SID with 6 channels for stereo output + Paula, but, alas... I'm sure it would have been cost prohibitive even if Commodore engineers had the idea at the time.

    by bartread
  • This is such a delicious article for those of us who are 'retro-' computing enthusiasts. Made my Sunday cuppa shine!

    "In a way, this feature is similar to the YM2149 ADSR envelope. Not technically, but because both features are mostly ignored by Atari and Amiga programmers! :)"

    As an Oric-1/Atmos programmer, this line was especially juicy.

    Using PAULA's attached mode is so brilliant, btw. I love it when things of this nature are discovered, decades after the fact. We've had a few such revelations in the Oric world too, none as powerful of course at Orics' 1MHZ, but nevertheless, the shoulders of the Atari/Amiga giants are perilously within reach for the climb ..

    EDIT: Oh, COPPER and PAULA, paired at the bits. Such a great hack, this one ..

    by rigonkulous
  • I was in a Dutch demo group first for msx and then amiga, then dropped out of low level dev; the amiga coprocessors I still miss. I went to PC as everyone did and definitely at the beginning thought: what is this garbage??? We lived in the future and then it was taken from us for a while.
    by anonzzzies

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