Discussion summary

IEEE has launched a paid LLM training course costing $240, while free resources like Stanford's playlist are available. Participants discuss access to old papers, understanding transformer models, and the value of paid courses.

What the discussion says

  • Some prefer free resources like Stanford's YouTube playlist.
  • The IEEE course is priced at $240 for 5 hours.
  • Understanding transformers is considered beneficial.
  • Access to old papers can be challenging and may require tools like Sci-Hub.

Comments

Hacker News

I really want to read a bunch of old papers from the IEE library but it looks very hard to get access to at any reasonable price for personal usage.

Anyone got any hints or tips for me?

by andrewstuart

Search for the DOI string that is associated with virtually every paper (which often but not always looks like a URL) and paste it into scihub.ru. If you are primarily interested in older papers (pre-2022 or so) this will be the path of least resistance, or at least minimum loop area.

by CamperBob2

>>Relying on such LLMs without understanding their internal logic creates a significant reliability risk. To build tools that work consistently, developers must understand the core principles that govern how the models process information and generate results. By mastering how a model processes information and how its internal settings influence the result, developers can move away from a trial-and-error approach toward a more precise one to ensure the AI tool handles complex data reliably.

This is staggering bullshitp. In what way does understanding a transformer allow you to solve the core problem of LLM's that no frontier lab has managed to resolve?

>>To fix the problem, retrieval-augmented generation (RAG) forces AI to look up information in a trusted source such as a company’s database.

This also is bullshit. Yes, RAG helps and reduces errors, but NOOOO! it does not fix hallucinations...

>>Prioritizing data security. When using AI with proprietary code, security is a major concern. Engineers must learn how to set up “private” instances of the models to ensure that sensitive company data stays within a secure cloud environment and is not used to train public versions.

This is somewhat true, but really the motive is providing a soverign instance that cannot be withdrawn for arbitary reasons. Fundamentally the big providers are not going to steal your data, they may change the license to allow them to use it in the future, but then all their big customers will leave. So, they won't be able to, probably. What might well happen (and has happened) is that the USA might withdraw access with no notice leaving you high and dry.

I want to learn to build a real LLM so I looked at https://allenai.org/olmo where there are instructions and ingredients. But, unfortunately I can't afford the required compute resource so I will have to wait for a bit I guess.

by sgt101

Personally, I think understanding deeply how a transformer works helps a lot to understand what's probably the result of specific choices in the RL process vs what's architecture. A lot of the "We asked 30 LLMs and they all said the same thing" type analyses of how LLMs work often bump into what's being prioritized in the name of alignment right now, as opposed to architectural insights.

by karahime

I didn’t realize IEEE had courses. I’m curious if anyone can comment on the general quality and if they have any good ones.

by abbefaria27

Saved, thank you.

by brcmthrowaway

LLM training courses may have some valuable tips and tricks behind them, but the platforms change so often and no two personalized LLMs look the same. It feels like prompting isn't a science you can capture with step-by-step tutorials, but rather it's an art form you compose. Can start from the same place and get two completely different outcomes.

by BlocksAI

Better spent on a $200 OpenAI or Anthropic sub and having their top models give you instant, personalized teaching.

by handfuloflight

Yes but you get a digital badge with it, so that's nice.

by great_wubwub

The problem with LLM courses is that the topic is mostly alchemy and will not bring you much real enlightenment.

by amelius

It's alchemy that works and if you don't know it you are left behind, so that's important.

by inigyou

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  • I really want to read a bunch of old papers from the IEE library but it looks very hard to get access to at any reasonable price for personal usage.

    Anyone got any hints or tips for me?

    by andrewstuart
  • Search for the DOI string that is associated with virtually every paper (which often but not always looks like a URL) and paste it into scihub.ru. If you are primarily interested in older papers (pre-2022 or so) this will be the path of least resistance, or at least minimum loop area.
    by CamperBob2
  • >>Relying on such LLMs without understanding their internal logic creates a significant reliability risk. To build tools that work consistently, developers must understand the core principles that govern how the models process information and generate results. By mastering how a model processes information and how its internal settings influence the result, developers can move away from a trial-and-error approach toward a more precise one to ensure the AI tool handles complex data reliably.

    This is staggering bullshitp. In what way does understanding a transformer allow you to solve the core problem of LLM's that no frontier lab has managed to resolve?

    >>To fix the problem, retrieval-augmented generation (RAG) forces AI to look up information in a trusted source such as a company’s database.

    This also is bullshit. Yes, RAG helps and reduces errors, but NOOOO! it does not fix hallucinations...

    >>Prioritizing data security. When using AI with proprietary code, security is a major concern. Engineers must learn how to set up “private” instances of the models to ensure that sensitive company data stays within a secure cloud environment and is not used to train public versions.

    This is somewhat true, but really the motive is providing a soverign instance that cannot be withdrawn for arbitary reasons. Fundamentally the big providers are not going to steal your data, they may change the license to allow them to use it in the future, but then all their big customers will leave. So, they won't be able to, probably. What might well happen (and has happened) is that the USA might withdraw access with no notice leaving you high and dry.

    I want to learn to build a real LLM so I looked at https://allenai.org/olmo where there are instructions and ingredients. But, unfortunately I can't afford the required compute resource so I will have to wait for a bit I guess.

    by sgt101
  • Personally, I think understanding deeply how a transformer works helps a lot to understand what's probably the result of specific choices in the RL process vs what's architecture. A lot of the "We asked 30 LLMs and they all said the same thing" type analyses of how LLMs work often bump into what's being prioritized in the name of alignment right now, as opposed to architectural insights.
    by karahime
  • I didn’t realize IEEE had courses. I’m curious if anyone can comment on the general quality and if they have any good ones.
    by abbefaria27
  • Why pay for this when Stanford has a playlist of a free course on LLMs: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoROMvodv4rOCXd21gf0CF4xr...
    by OutOfHere
  • Saved, thank you.
    by brcmthrowaway
  • LLM training courses may have some valuable tips and tricks behind them, but the platforms change so often and no two personalized LLMs look the same. It feels like prompting isn't a science you can capture with step-by-step tutorials, but rather it's an art form you compose. Can start from the same place and get two completely different outcomes.
    by BlocksAI
  • Here is the linked course in the article: https://iln.ieee.org/public/contentdetails.aspx?id=B570F53B5...

    $240 (non member price) for a 5 hour course.

    Did I read that right? Or is it more 5 hours of instructional videos?

    Either way, it doesn't seem to include grading or other help etc.

    by ksd482
  • Better spent on a $200 OpenAI or Anthropic sub and having their top models give you instant, personalized teaching.
    by handfuloflight
  • Yes but you get a digital badge with it, so that's nice.
    by great_wubwub
  • The problem with LLM courses is that the topic is mostly alchemy and will not bring you much real enlightenment.
    by amelius
  • It's alchemy that works and if you don't know it you are left behind, so that's important.
    by inigyou

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